Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:07 AM codingsanity

Vista: Second Thoughts

Well, Vista has been officially released, but guess what? The nVidia drivers I thought wouldn't have been released haven't. I hate being right. In fact, happy days, nVidia have deigned to release a new Beta driver. Well done nVidia! The new OS has finally been released after almost a 5 year delay, and you've managed to figure out a beta driver! I mean everyone was going on about Longhaul, but the reality is that the delays Microsoft had was nothing compared to the sheer incompetance of the hardware manufacturers. Oh, yeah Creative can be welcomed to the "we can't write a driver given 5 years" club too.

So, here I am stuck with a disastrously buggy OS, and frankly I can't tell if it's Microsoft's fault or not, but unlike the drivers the OS isn't in Beta, so I guess it's not. Until further notice I hereby place all blame for poor Vista reviews on the utterly moronic planning of companies such as Creative and nVidia. Once they actually release official drivers we'll see if that stance can be revised, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd guess that stable drivers are still some months away.

What I still don't get is why Microsoft isn't raising all kinds of hell about this.
 

Update 3 Feb 2007

Well, it seems that some nVidia owners are starting a class action lawsuit against nVidia. Good for them! I wish them luck. A friend of mine was conned into buying the 8800, which for quite some time was effectively a paperweight. I have my doubts as to what damage could be claimed from not been able to play games though ;-D However, they do seem to be collecting photos claiming that nVidia's hardware is Vista-ready, which it is clearly not. Nonetheless it must be said that at least there is some traction from nVidia's side, they released new drivers recently, albeit still as buggy as hell, with over 27 features not fully implemented, and of course still in Beta. But as pathetic and useless as that may be, at least they've actually released something. The same cannot be said for Creative. The latest set of drivers for my Audigy is dated 12th Jan 2007.

Unbelievably, much as I thought it would be impossible, the latest nVidia drivers (100.59) are actually significantly more buggy than the previous drivers (97.46). In fact, I have had over 14 complete system lockups today alone, all from the sheer difficulty of rendering my screen saver. I cannot, under any circumstances express my sheer hatred of nVidia at this point without swearing like a trooper. All I can say is they and Creative are now on my "never buy from these guys again" list.

In fact nVidia have been caught censoring the righteous anger of their customers (one of the reasons for the class action suit), and have posted some guidelines for posting in future, I especially enjoy these ones:

  • "Post [that] the [hardware/software] [does] not work", hmm let's see, my computer does a complete lockup when attempting to render my screensaver, such that I must reboot. This replaces the previous buggy behaviour with worse symptoms, the only thing that has changed is the driver, so I guess it must have nothing to do with nVidia's hardware or software, right?
  • "Ask for direct response from nVidia". Wow! That one's a doozy. Let me get this straight, customers will be banned and censored for daring to ask where the drivers for their hardware are? If we ask about timeframes, why the drivers are so buggy, why it took 5 years to deliver beta drivers or any other pertinent questions, then our posts will be deleted?

So, the end result? Well, Vista is coming off my machine, and I will not be reinstalling it until SP1 is out, if then. This goes down as my worst OS upgrade in history, and I'm including Windows ME in that equation, so you can figure how bad it has been. If I just wanted a pretty OS I'd get a Mac. It may not be able to play decent games, or run any of my tools, but frankly neither can the very expensive paperweight sitting on my desk.

At least with a Mac I might be able to watch my screensaver...

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# re: Vista: Second Thoughts

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:40 AM by Armand du Plessis

I agree, a lot of the blame for Vista stability sits with companies who need to get their act together and ship proper working Vista drivers.

I still suffer with badly broken SoundMax audio drivers which requires a Windows Audio restart everytime two applications attempts to make use of sound :(

# re: Vista: Second Thoughts

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:18 AM by Trivium DawnWalker

This is why I'm holding off on  installing VISTA here at work. My bud here has and he loves it though. He says there's no bugs that he has found but all we use is IE, VS2005, SQL2005.

# re: Vista: Second Thoughts

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:44 AM by Willie Roberts

The NVidia Vista RTM drivers has been available from the NVidia site since mid December and last night they released a new version as well. There is also a set avialable through Windows Update in Vista. Non of these are Beta

The drivers I am aware of that is a problem are Notebook Nvidia and ATI cards as NVidia nor ATI are allowed to provide drivers for these machines.

Alternatively you can also used the modified and optimised drivers available here:

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=Files

They also have drivers that include support for the Go range and also have 64Bit drivers.

# re: Vista: Second Thoughts

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:36 PM by codingsanity

Yeah, sure they're targeted at Vista RTM, but the drivers themselves are still beta. I quote: "will enable you to test the basic features and capabilities of the new operating system", and according to their own release notes have 27 unimplemented features. Couple that with their shocking stability issues and you realize very swiftly that no matter what they may say, nVidia have dropped the ball, and badly.

They can call it a certified release, but it's a joke. I've been running with version 97.46 since Tuesday, and have not noticed any increased stability. My reliability score is at 6.98, and that is ENTIRELY nVidia's fault from what I can determine.

# re: Vista: Second Thoughts

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:35 PM by codingsanity

Okay, it is now April the 13th, the nVidia drivers are STILL not ready "These NVIDA Windows Vista drivers are under development. This version is not fully optimized for full 3D performance and may not include all available features available on different operating systems"

Utter fucking incompetance and willful negligence. How ANY company can be so brazen is beyond me.

The only good news about the Windows driver fiasco is that Microsoft are starting to take serious stick on this issue. Not that it's their fault per se, but silence on behalf of their screwed consumers is deafening.

Silence implies assent...

# re: Vista: Second Thoughts

Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:55 PM by codingsanity

Another update: it is the 17th May, I have updated to alleged release drivers. My system is as unreliable as a drunken frat boy, crashes when showing the screen saver, takes 15000 days to copy 30MB from one HDD to another, and is generally just a complete piece of shite.