Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:38 AM codingsanity

Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

After my previous bad experiences with the Operating System That Was Shipped in Beta, you might be surprised to find out that I recently installed it on my laptop. Interestingly enough it is far more stable and faster on my laptop than my desktop. My personal theory is that my laptop does not have an nVidia graphics card, nor a Creative sound card. Both are companies whose Vista support was late and uninspiring. Anyway, the number one, most irritating bug that I encounter regularly is file copy. Yep, you've heard me right, Vista cannot adequately perform operations on it's filesystem. I wanted to delete a directory holding backups, so I selected the folder, and pressed Shift-Del, and then had to wait for 2 hours whilst Vista carefully went and, from what I can tell, lovingly worked out the thumbnails for each file it was going to delete before actually doing the deletion. Oh, wait, it could also have been checking them for DRM.

Copying is so pathetically slow for anything large that in some cases, it's actually easier and faster and less frustrating for me to boot up a VPC containing Windows XP, share the appropriate folders on each Vista machine and use the XP to move the files from the one machine to the other.Indifferent

Microsoft have been made well aware of this bug, but have not yet addressed them. In fact these bugs were raise during the Beta program IIRC, and still, Microsoft have not yet deigned to fix them. Copying files, deleting files..., high-tech shit.

I was inspired to blog this, because this morning I decided I'd like to watch a movie in bed. I powered up my laptop, and selected a movie from my desktop PC, and tried to copy it across. It started "Calculating time remaining", and had 0 bytes/second, and just sat there. I pressed Cancel, and the Cancel button just disabled. I waited and waited, and still that useless, buggy as all hell, copy dialog just did nada. So, I force restarted my laptop and tried again. When the exact same nothing happened, I decided to blog about it. So here I am, still staring at the 0 bytes/second, and still "Calculating time remaining". Here, Vista, a hint, if you're consistently at 0 bytes per second due to some unfathomable bug in your non-release-ready code then the time remaining is infinity.

Microsoft assured us that Vista was production ready, and it is actually a lot better than I feared it would be, but it is not release quality code. It appears that consumers are well aware of this, which is why Microsoft's financial results showed little boost from Vista sales. Microsoft have been engaging with consumers attempting to convince them to purchase Vista and not wait until SP1 comes out. This is a common tactic used by consumers to ensure tha most of the bugs are resolved. Such a tactic will mean far less frustrations for consumers, instead of acting as broad-scale beta testers, they will be hopefully actually be getting the code that should have shipped. I'd like to add that I don't think they should upgade existing PC's but only put Vista on new PC's due to the plethora of driver problems experienced by user of older machines.

Good Points

Is Vista worth the upgrade? So, far, just using my laptop as an example, yes. It's snappier, more responsive, much prettier. I find myself using the one-button off/suspend feature a lot and not bothering to properly shut down like I used to under XP, there's just no need. The search start menu feature has made my life a lot easier. Before, I'd go through my menus, setting up shortcut keys everywhere. Now there's no call for that. Mobility is also better, but I still wish they'd store IE settings like the proxy server against a named network, so I didn't have to keep fiddling that whenever I move from A to B. So, I am quite confident that Vista will be a huge success once they fix all the irritating little problems.

Speaking of which, I wish I could tell it to stop whining that I blocked some starup programs. I did it very deliberately, and it was a well-thought-out idea. Every 30 minutes or so, it pops up a bloody tooltip telling me that it did what I told it to do, and that it followed my instructions when I booted my computer 15 hours ago. I KNOW dammit!

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# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:08 AM by mailowl

I'm using Vista at work and I've resorted to using an unregistered version of Total Commander for copying, deleteing and bulk moving of files :( The fact that it takes longer to calculate how long it's going  to take to move files and only THEN do the actual work depressed me to the point that ANY windows explorer will be better than the default one.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Monday, July 23, 2007 8:56 AM by Willie Roberts

I will admit I have never experienced this running on Business or Enterprise, although I have often seen it being reported. I jump between Explorer and Total Commander a lot though and don't really after take account of the time remaining calculation and that could be possibly why.

Strangely I had this problem in Total Commander on a directory containing about 4000+ Icons this weekend where Vista calculated and copied faster. Confused.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:58 PM by Ian

I decided to move a large folder from my documents folder to the public folder. The move was instantaneoud but the "remaining" window was still there even after the move completed and estimated an eight hours completion time. M$, Please, at the very least allow the user to disable the b..., uh, feature. At best, take it out all together.

Mailowl, thanks for the Total Commander tip, I'll give it a try.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Friday, July 27, 2007 7:46 PM by Robert

When I removed an old Linksys 10/100 switch between my Vista machine and my Server - my Calculating hang disappeared.  Maybe the INTERN who programmed the "Calculting" "feature" didn't consider certain network configurations so in certain circumstances the "calculating" goes into some kind of infinte loop or infinite wait.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Sunday, July 29, 2007 8:45 PM by Neal

I'm also affected by this problem very often. For instance, right now I've selected a 300MB file on my desktop and did a 'DEL'. Not even a Shift-DEL! And it's calculating the time remaining to recyle the file, completely stuck. It's been over 5 minutes now.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:16 PM by Brandon

It just started today for me, but I have the same problem with that obnoxious "calculation" window. At the very least, one should be able to close it, but clearly that isn't even an option.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:30 PM by Brandon

Another thing that really bites my ass about Vista is the way you have to confirm every little operation. Try installing an application or anything, and you get a black flash on the screen and an annoying "pop" sound with a window asking for your permission to continue. This really sets the system up to freeze, it seems.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:27 PM by Newfmp3

You don't need to confirm every action, just turn off UAC. It's in the control panel under users. Speeds up the machine a bit as well. Another thing I find speed things up is to turn off the Windows Search service, I do not miss it at all. It index's your hard drive constantly similar to the old windows indexing service and just bogs things down.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:48 AM by Mathieu Gauthier

Most likely, Windows Search is broken. Here is the fix :

1- Go the the event viewer, in Windows Logs/Application et look for errors happening around the time where you tried to copy/rename/move files.

2- If you you see Search Service errors about removing old catalogs or something, you are on the right track. This mean that everytime you perform a file operation, windows tries to start the Search Service and it fails. This means about 30 sec. of deadlock. The search service is broken because of a bad path in the registry.

3- Go to Control Panel/Admin tools/Services and set the "Windows Search Service" to "Disabled" so it will never start again. You cant stop here if dont want to use Windows Search. This is a quick and dirty fix.

4- But this is a hack, if you still want to use the search service you have to go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Search and locate invalid paths in that branch. Some paths may point to places that dont exists anymore. The best find a friend who has a working vista installation and fixes the broken paths. Make sure all files in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Search and subfolders are present and valid. There are threads on the Microsoft forum with instructions.

Restart the search service and enjoy.

Mat

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Monday, August 20, 2007 6:15 PM by Joe Barthlow

Thanks for the info about stopping the Windows Search Service. Since disabling that service, I haven't seen the annoying "calculating time remaining" window.

I actually like Vista, but I'm appalled at Microsoft's attitude on support. I just this Fujitsu three days ago, and they said I have to pay 59.95 for telephone support because the OS was pre-installed. Like Fujitsu has anything to do with the "calculating time remaining problem".

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:10 AM by Anonymous

Fujitsu did not create the problem.  However, all OEMs support their own customers, for the reason that they get a discount over retail price.  Been this way for 26 years now, when Microsoft wrote and IBM supported PC-DOS 1.0.

Don't want to support Windows that you pre-installed?  Easy, pay full retail price and the cost of support goes onto Microsoft.

Outsourcing is the way the world is going.  Bulk mailers get a discount from the post office, etc.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:18 PM by mur308

I have noticed the general slowness just accessing files from the start menu. It seems to wait a second before opening drop down menus and the like.

I also experienced problems with freezing (Vaio, needing hard reset) due to the craporama Nvidia drivers and to make matters worse you have to wait for the maufacturer of your laptop (Sony in my case) to offer any new drivers because the component makers send updated software to the computer distributor and don't offer end-user support. This is annoying to say the least because if there are important updates you have to wait for Sony to organise an update package including other software that you really didn't need.

I did overcome this by installing the latest forceware drivers and modded inf file from Nvision and so far (fingers crossed) after 3 days there has been no crashes (as apposed to 3 per day before).

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:47 PM by Bryan

90% of the computers at Microsoft are Dells, with ATI graphics cards and the built in soundcard. As a result, we don't have a huge amount of impetus to make other configurations work, even when we notice them.

# re: Vista and the Calculating Time remaining bug

Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:38 PM by Shoe

I have been irritated by this issue since I installed Vista Ultimate a few months ago. I have multiple disks in RAID 0, RAID 1, and JBOD. I have updated my Intel RAID drivers, tried various suggestions posted in forums such as "turn on UAC", install the MS hotfix for network copying, turn off thumbnail generation in Explorer properties(this actually works great but I want thumbnails). In the end I just started using PowerDesk Pro instead of Explorer and I have no more issues with copying/moving files or folders regardless of file size or number of files in a folder. It starts the file copy/move immediately and does it very quickly. It allows me to keep the annoying UAC turned off, keep thumbnail generation turned on, and all is well in my world...