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SharePoint 2007 Workflow (WWF) VS OpenText Livelink Workflow

 

 

SharePoint 2007 Workflow (Visual Studio 2008)

Livelink  Workflow (Livelink Server 9.7)

Workflow Platform Type

Framework

Engine

Electronic Forms Support

Yes (InfoPath)

Yes (LL Forms Module)

Interoperability with Desktop Applications

Yes (Microsoft Office Suite Only)

No

Interoperability with Email

Yes

Yes

Integration with Line of Business Applications

Yes

No (Actually maybe with some insanely complicated level of integration)

Electronic Signatures

Yes (WRMS, a bit complicated)

Yes (eSign)

Supports Attachments

Yes

Yes

Expression builder (WF Logic)

Yes

Yes

Dynamically assigning WF steps to Users

With customisation

Yes

Easy MIS

Needs to be built

Yes (OOB)

Logging

Needs to be created in WF

Yes (OOB)

Interoperability with custom services and web services

Yes

No

Development Required

Yes

No (except for customisation)

Development Language

.NET

OScript

 

First of all, it was only since Visual Studio 2008 came out that I decided to start comparing elements of SharePoint 2007 such as Workflow and Business Process Management to other leading Enterprise Content Management systems. Before that exercise would be pointless.

Livelink in this game comes as a seasoned veteran and SharePoint 2007 and WWF are playing the catch-up game here, so I'll focus more on how much WWF caught up so far.

Windows Workflow Foundation's (in SharePoint context) biggest weakness is in fact that it's a framework that requires skilled developers to design workflows where other workflow solution are in a form of an engine, with very easy, user friendly design studio that can easily be mastered by less skilled people (basically non-developers).

That, being a weakness, in fact is also the biggest strength of WWF, as in my personal career, the percentage of clients that were happy with OOB (out of the box) workflow (such as Livelink) functionality is less than 30%.

On the other side customisation in WWF now is almost flawless, it provides variety of highly functional Workflow steps that make use of the latest technology available for .NET, and is provided in known strongly supported languages (such as C#). Whereas in Livelink for example, the whole solution is written in a proprietary language called OScript (written especially for Livelink) which is object orientated (mostly similar to C, has elements like assocs and stuff) with a very good object model but also very outdated making the customisation less then easy (in today's terms), and since it is proprietary the skills are very scarce (there's only very few of us in the country that are good with it) making it not very profitable for the clients and service providers.

Also, to add a custom step to Livelink workflow requires creating whole module, installing it and in some cases having to even re-do the existing workflow (if it existed before), they don't have the code activity type steps (although other WF engines like K2.NET and FYI have it).

Windows Workflow Foundation for MOSS2007 also wins "BIG TIME" with InfoPath 2007 and Forms server with SharePoint 2007 against Livelink Forms. Being able to add various controls from the InfoPath UI to your SharePoint 2007 Electronic forms is a good start, and then controls such as: Repeating Sections, Repeating Tables, Optional Sections, leave Livelink Forms far behind.

Livelink still leads with the tight integration of workflow with rest of the Livelink suite, consisting of much more refined products to better provide various Enterprise Content Management Solutions.

All in all the race has become tight and I see MS SharePoint 2007 Workflow solution leading in near future if the OpenText Livelink crowd doesn't realise how important it is to keep your solution on the latest Development Platform.

The talk has been for some time that version 10 of Livelink will be completely re-written in Java, we're yet to see if that will increase the stakes in the game (if it comes any time soon).

SharePoint 2007 Workflow (Business Process Management) Solutions are solid enough to play with the big boys now, even without the help from the mighty (yet expensive) BizTalk server.

 

Published Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:31 PM by Zlatan

Comments

# re: SharePoint 2007 Workflow (WWF) VS OpenText Livelink Workflow

Nice comparison... tnx

Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:24 AM by rudi

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# re: SharePoint 2007 Workflow (WWF) VS OpenText Livelink Workflow

I am working with Livelink as WF engine for past 5 years now. Only thing I believe is for Interoperability with Desktop Applications its possbile using Livelink exploere standard / professional and it works perfectly fine.

Also idexing capability of Livelink has a mraked difference when compared to Sharepoint.

Can any one let me know the difference in deployment planning between these two?

Regards,

C V Vijay

Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:33 PM by C V Vijay

# re: SharePoint 2007 Workflow (WWF) VS OpenText Livelink Workflow

Hi C V Vijay,

I've been working with Livelink for even longer as a technical lead, I'm also Livelink certified Consultant and Administrator.

Livelink Explorer is pretty awsome and SharePoint with WWF needs Groove or Outlook to properly rival some aspects of Livelink's inteoprability with Windows operating systems and office clients (for example in case of working with offline folders), but Livelink's workflow engine does not come close to the interoperability of Windows Workflow Foundation with Windows and Office Client and even more with any other Line of Business System, and Livelink's interoperability with the office client and windows has even less leg to stand on against the full Office system offering and SharePoint.

OpenText (as a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner) has realised this some time ago and aligned their product placement strategy to be for Livelink as more of a background process Application to both Office system and SharePoint, complementing it only where a client wasn't happy with a particular ShaerPoint functionality or just preferred Livelink functionality (such as Records Management for example) but still keeping Livelink as a repository (well they have to sell Livelink with it).

I agree with you that the interoperability with LL Explorer works fine and you might be happy with it, but what OpenText and I are saying is that you should rather use SharePoint together with WWF for that.

As far as the indexing capability, I think you're confusing the Sharepoint 2007 with SharePoint 2003 here as those are pretty much chalk and cheese. SharePoint 2007 features Enterprise Search with framework which was built to rival search engines like Google.

Long lost are the days when Yahoo was using Livelink as a search engine.

What can rival Enterprise Search in this case is Livelink's powerful Livelink ECM - Federated Query Server.

If you want to know more about the LL integration with SharePoint check:

www.opentext.com/.../pro-ll-ms-sharepoint-integration-archiving.htm

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:50 PM by Zlatan

# re: SharePoint 2007 Workflow (WWF) VS OpenText Livelink Workflow

PS.  I'll compare the deployment planning between LL and SP soon, watch my blog.

Thanks for the comments !

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:58 PM by Zlatan

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